aw come on canceling heros without a finale?

[therottoenone]

i don't have the link but apparently there will be no series finale for heros. that bites.

[Captain Midnight]

wow. you'd think they'd be able to sandwich heroes somewhere. . . what a grinder that it got torpedoed like a sub.








































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[misterd]

May 14, 2010 19:32:26 GMT -5 therottoenone said:

i don't have the link but apparently there will be no series finale for heros. that bites.

There was some talk about a telemovie, but in the end you have to blame Heroes for sucking.

[therottoenone]

hey I liked Heros, waawaaa.

[bigmac]

I liked the first season, but then it fell into the comic book trap. Characters die, are somehow brought back, powers change and mutate, and the same friggin' supervillain keeps showing up.

It just became every reason I gave up on superhero comics back in the 90's.

[therottoenone]

Well I still read spawn, who is a hero, the maxx, fantastic four, wolverine, the crow and countless others. How many times has Dr Doom comeback from the dead? Lots and he never gets boring, LOL.

[doug]

It kinda blows my mind that they don't do series finales to shows that the know people are going to buy on DVD. They must know that having a conclusion makes it much more re-watchable. It's like they don't even think about the secondary market.

[misterd]

May 14, 2010 23:31:39 GMT -5 therottoenone said:

Well I still read spawn, who is a hero, the maxx, fantastic four, wolverine, the crow and countless others. How many times has Dr Doom comeback from the dead? Lots and he never gets boring, LOL.

But when Doom dies, he tends to stay dead for a few years.

Heroes recycled the same ideas time and again, and failed to step out of the box when the opportunity arose. There was no reason to go four seasons without the world finding out about people with powers, for example. And they should have had the balls to do away with Sylar for a season - leave him as the boogeyman in the background, the Joker or Doom who's return has significance. Instead, he became one of the shows stars, and they quickly ran out of ideas.

It is clear to me, in hindsight, that Bryan Fuller was the one who knew how to make the show work.

When I read comics, I almost never looked at the names on the splash pages of individual issues. But every now and then, a series would have such a notable change in quality or tone - maybe good, maybe bad - that I'd check and see, to no surprise, that the writer had changed. I experienced that same phenomenon towards the end of season 3. The show had picked up in quality, and lo and behold, it turned out to be the first episode Fuller had worked on since he left to do Pushing Daisies.

My only regret is that I never stopped liking many of the characters. I do feel the show had potential if they were willing to rip it from Kring's hands and give the showrunner the freedom, if not a mandate - to take real risks.

[bigmac]

May 14, 2010 23:31:39 GMT -5 therottoenone said:

How many times has Dr Doom comeback from the dead? Lots and he never gets boring, LOL.

No, just tedious.

I remember the issue where Doom and Reed died, and the line from Marvel is that they were dead. Until they figured out a way to bring them back.

The problem with Heroes, as misterd said, is that Sylar came back every year, basically every story arch, instead of letting another villain take the stage for an entire season. It was getting to the point that the fun was trying to figure out how they would bring him back, not what would happen next.

I liked the characters, but the stories bored me to hell. Still, I think they should end the series with some type of finale. It's only fair to the people following the season. It's not hard to do, and might bring in more viewers for the big "ending" then simply pulling the plug. And imagine the DVD sales as old fans try to catch up on what's happened before the final episode.

[misterd]

May 15, 2010 21:32:38 GMT -5 bigmac said:

May 14, 2010 23:31:39 GMT -5 therottoenone said:

How many times has Dr Doom comeback from the dead? Lots and he never gets boring, LOL.

No, just tedious.

I remember the issue where Doom and Reed died, and the line from Marvel is that they were dead. Until they figured out a way to bring them back.

The problem with Heroes, as misterd said, is that Sylar came back every year, basically every story arch, instead of letting another villain take the stage for an entire season. It was getting to the point that the fun was trying to figure out how they would bring him back, not what would happen next.

I liked the characters, but the stories bored me to hell. Still, I think they should end the series with some type of finale. It's only fair to the people following the season. It's not hard to do, and might bring in more viewers for the big "ending" then simply pulling the plug. And imagine the DVD sales as old fans try to catch up on what's happened before the final episode.

1. Comics brought back Jason Todd and Bucky. Once Uncle Ben walks through the door, the genre is officially toast.

2. Heroes had an ending. They just didn't stop there. The fourth season arc was finished, and it was a decent enough place to get off the merry go round. They didn't need to give us a preview of a next chapter that was never to come. If fans feel unsatisfied, blame the show runners, not the network.

3. Heroes was cancelled for ratings. If there were enough fans who still gave a damn and were willing to buy the DVDs, they wouldn't need to come up with an ending, because it would still be on the air.

[therottoenone]

read marvel zombies: heros died in one universe and were alive in the others. The way Dr doom killed the zombie reed richards.

[bigmac]

May 16, 2010 0:22:20 GMT -5 therottoenone said:

read marvel zombies: heros died in one universe and were alive in the others. The way Dr doom killed the zombie reed richards.

Read Marvel Zombies. And, as a single shot, it was a lot of fun. But an over reliance on multiple universes to tie together shoddy stories is just lazy.

[bigmac]

May 16, 2010 0:16:17 GMT -5 misterd said:

1. Comics brought back Jason Todd and Bucky. Once Uncle Ben walks through the door, the genre is officially toast.

WTF? They brought back Uncle Ben?!?!?! I assume you're talking Spider Man here, which gives me even more justification to my decision to not read superhero comic books any more.

May 16, 2010 0:16:17 GMT -5 misterd said:

2. Heroes had an ending. They just didn't stop there. The fourth season arc was finished, and it was a decent enough place to get off the merry go round. They didn't need to give us a preview of a next chapter that was never to come. If fans feel unsatisfied, blame the show runners, not the network.

Got bored after Season 3, and stopped watching it. So I really can't comment on how the show ended. Still, the "show runners" might not have been aware of the NBC's decision to cancel the show when they made the ending to Season 4. So I can't put the blame on the production crew.

May 16, 2010 0:16:17 GMT -5 misterd said:

3. Heroes was cancelled for ratings. If there were enough fans who still gave a damn and were willing to buy the DVDs, they wouldn't need to come up with an ending, because it would still be on the air.

It's one of the reasons I don't watch television. You get involved with a show, only to have an executive make a decision to cancel it without a resolution. I think the writing was on the wall long enough for the studios to tell the production crew the show was going to be canceled and allow them time to wrap things up. Without leaving hints of another chapter.

I'm not disagreeing with you on this point. if the ratings are bad, the show needs to go. I just wish the networks would give the shows a bit of a warning, especially after a multi-year run, so it could end in some way.

[misterd]

May 16, 2010 3:46:57 GMT -5 bigmac said:

May 16, 2010 0:16:17 GMT -5 misterd said:

1. Comics brought back Jason Todd and Bucky. Once Uncle Ben walks through the door, the genre is officially toast.

WTF? They brought back Uncle Ben?!?!?! I assume you're talking Spider Man here, which gives me even more justification to my decision to not read superhero comic books any more.

No. But with Bucky and Jason back, it seem inevitable.

Got bored after Season 3, and stopped watching it. So I really can't comment on how the show ended. Still, the "show runners" might not have been aware of the NBC's decision to cancel the show when they made the ending to Season 4. So I can't put the blame on the production crew.

First, in this business you should never be surprised to see your show cancelled unless you are a huge hit. Second, the show was tanking in the ratings, and the fact that NBC didn't commit to a full season should have been a warning sign. However, as I said they did get to resolve the current story arcs. As with any serialized drama, one can ALWAYS ask "what comes next", and I don't see how another finale will change that.

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May 16, 2010 0:16:17 GMT -5 misterd said:

3. Heroes was cancelled for ratings. If there were enough fans who still gave a damn and were willing to buy the DVDs, they wouldn't need to come up with an ending, because it would still be on the air.

It's one of the reasons I don't watch television. You get involved with a show, only to have an executive make a decision to cancel it without a resolution. I think the writing was on the wall long enough for the studios to tell the production crew the show was going to be canceled and allow them time to wrap things up. Without leaving hints of another chapter.

The catch is that all of NBC's shows (or almost) were in the toilet last season. On ABC or CBS, Heroes would have been shitcanned in the middle of the season, but it wasn't doing as badly as some other NBC series. However, it was much more expensive to produce. Also, NBC got stuck when the Jay Leno fiasco blew up in their faces, and they needed 5 new hours of programming. So while most people expected the series to be cancelled, it also depended on whether or not NBC got enough satisfactory new shows to air in September. So the execs really didn't know until the last few weeks what they were going to do.[/b]

I'm not disagreeing with you on this point. if the ratings are bad, the show needs to go. I just wish the networks would give the shows a bit of a warning, especially after a multi-year run, so it could end in some way.[/quote]

Like I said, the writing was on the wall. When the fans on the internet can see the end coming, there's no excuse for professionals to misread the tea leaves.

For the record, here's how the last story ended:

1. The big bad guy was beaten.

2. Claire made up with daddy and we can assume will go back to college to experiment with lesbians.

3. Hiro was cured of his illness, got his power back, and able to save Charlie (the waitress) and give her a happily ever after.

4. Sylar's heart grew three sizes that day, and he saved Christmas for Whoville. Well, not exactly, but essentially. The boogeyman becomes hero.

5. Matt Parkman was presumably able to go to his wife and child.

6. Peter successfully converted Sylar and found a girlfriend.

7.Mohinder has gone back to India to do research with his love.

8. Ando has powers of his own, and is in a loving relationship with Hiro's sister.

So it would seem, to me, that all the major characters who are still alive and kicking have had satisfactory resolutions.

The catch is that the preview of the next story has Claire about to publicly reveal her powers. However, they tried that with Nathan at theend of season 2, and it never happened, so whether she would have been successful or not, we'll never know.

[bigmac]

Regardless of how well the story wrapped up, it was intended to continue. Now, I'm not overly familiar with the business, so I can't comment on the rationale behind pulling the plug the way NBC did. I just feel the networks do a big disservice to the fans of a show by simply ending it. Even if it makes for a disjointed season (like the last season of Angel), it allows the fans to have a sense of closure.

Sure, Heroes was low on the ratings. But people were still watching (about 6.5 million of them) and you'd think that would justify a wrap up episode.