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Post by rotteninbirth on Aug 30, 2012 9:50:26 GMT -5
MDOC theres gonna be a sequel and guess what? the writer from LOST will not be it! I loved Prometheus because it just isn't an alien film. its also a new story. give me your address ill send u a container of black ooze lol kidding oh boy here come the cops lol
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Post by evanseconds on Aug 30, 2012 15:12:43 GMT -5
You liked it because it is an original story? It sounds like you have really low expectations.
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Post by rotteninbirth on Aug 30, 2012 15:14:55 GMT -5
Actually no I didn't. But nice try. lololol Go head and keep watching the star wars prequels lolol and the final star trek film with picard and battleship/
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Post by evanseconds on Aug 30, 2012 23:09:09 GMT -5
... What are you talking about?
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Post by rotteninbirth on Aug 30, 2012 23:46:27 GMT -5
I thought u saw the film? U know the black ooz that turns into something else the ooz that david poisoned one of the scientists with? SPOILER ALERT
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Post by darkfiction74 on Sept 14, 2012 14:40:45 GMT -5
I liked Prometheus, despite all its flaws. I hate to admit it, but all the stunning visuals seduced me.
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Post by bigmac on Dec 4, 2012 22:10:42 GMT -5
Well, even though I haven't seen Rotten posting anything recently, I do want to go on record that I saw Prometheus again. Got the DVD from the library and watched it straight through.
And I've found more things to be annoyed over, like the "lifeboat" that is little more than a coffin that will keep people alive for a couple years while waiting for a rescue mission that will NEVER REACH THEM IN TIME! Seriously, who thought that one up?
And how the hell did David learn the ALIEN language simply by studying ancient HUMAN languages? Are the filmmakers implying that the development of language is actually tied to our genetic make up in some way? Oh, I'm sure someone will assume, based on the cave drawings, that the aliens visited us later in our development. But based on all the information in the script, the writers might be implying that cave drawings of massive aliens was imprinted in the alien DNA that made humanity, as well as a compatible language.
Which is complete RUBBISH!!!!
AAAAARRRRRRGGGHHHH!
I don't know how to express how painful this film was for me to watch a second time. Sure, it looks beautiful, but Scott appears to have forgot everything that worked on the original Alien. You know, a convincing story and sensible characters that do the right thing but end up getting screwed in the end.
Seriously, given everything they did WRONG on the planet, I'm surprised the crew of the Prometheus was able to get the ship across the galaxy without crashing into a sun. Might not have been as long a movie, but would have been a lot more fun.
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Post by xtrialbyfirex on Dec 4, 2012 22:47:04 GMT -5
Well, even though I haven't seen Rotten posting anything recently, I do want to go on record that I saw Prometheus again. Got the DVD from the library and watched it straight through. And I've found more things to be annoyed over, like the "lifeboat" that is little more than a coffin that will keep people alive for a couple years while waiting for a rescue mission that will NEVER REACH THEM IN TIME! Seriously, who thought that one up? And how the hell did David learn the ALIEN language simply by studying ancient HUMAN languages? Are the filmmakers implying that the development of language is actually tied to our genetic make up in some way? Oh, I'm sure someone will assume, based on the cave drawings, that the aliens visited us later in our development. But based on all the information in the script, the writers might be implying that cave drawings of massive aliens was imprinted in the alien DNA that made humanity, as well as a compatible language. Which is complete RUBBISH!!!! AAAAARRRRRRGGGHHHH! I've noticed the type of criticisms this film gets tend to be some of the most detailed scrutiny of any horror movie I can remember. I'm not saying it's not fair game, but I never hear this level of detail when it comes to Fulci, Carpenter, Argento, etc. The only horror movie I've heard stripped down so thoroughly was Rob Zombie's H20, and even then maybe not as much. I wonder if this is about expectations or simply the fact that all the pieces of Prometheus just don't fit quite right, and the easiest way to tear it apart is to deconstruct the details?
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Post by bigmac on Dec 5, 2012 19:30:18 GMT -5
I've noticed the type of criticisms this film gets tend to be some of the most detailed scrutiny of any horror movie I can remember. I'm not saying it's not fair game, but I never hear this level of detail when it comes to Fulci, Carpenter, Argento, etc. The only horror movie I've heard stripped down so thoroughly was Rob Zombie's H20, and even then maybe not as much. I wonder if this is about expectations or simply the fact that all the pieces of Prometheus just don't fit quite right, and the easiest way to tear it apart is to deconstruct the details? Good point, but I think the reason this movie tends to be deconstructed in such a manner are twofold. First, it's not a horror movie, but a science fiction movie (at least in my mind). Yes, it is set in the world created in the original Alien, but the movie is about aliens that are responsible for creating life on Earth and our attempts to find the truth about our origins as a species. So, when a group of scientists sent to make contact with these beings start to behave like a grade school class on a field trip, criticism of their behavior and lack of any intelligent decisions regarding the alien artifacts and life forms is unavoidable. I think the closest movie with similar themes of the directors you mentioned above would be The Thing. And one could argue that bringing the mutated body back to the outpost was a bad decision, but only after the thing starts taking over people. Bringing the body back for study makes sense, regardless of the outcome. Continuing to coax an alien snake like a kitten, after it gave recognizable aggressive/defensive cues, is pretty stupid. Second, the pace of the movie is pretty slow. That in itself is not a problem, but the scriptwriters forgot that a slower pace gives the audience time to think about what's happening and find fault with it. In a movie with a faster pace, you might not realize these plot holes exist. For example, I'm a pretty observant filmgoer, yet I completely missed that the cameraman vanished from the sinking boat towards the end of Aja's Piranha. He was suppose to die in the script, but the film ran out of money before the death scene could be filmed and the filmmakers just had to skip it and finish off the film with the footage they had. Yet I (and others) became so wrapped up in the action that we missed that little glitch. To sum it up, Prometheus violated it's own sense of reality. The film isn't set in a world where steroids and radiation can turn a pencil thin man into a ripped super soldier, or someone can mutate into a giant green rage monster. It's set in a world trying to be true to basic scientific principles, yet it failed (in my mind) to follow the rules of that universe. If Captain America had suddenly been able to fly at any point in his movie or The Avengers, I would have been just as annoyed with that film as I was with Prometheus, because that would be a violation of the rules set up in the Marvel Film Universe. I know some people may thing I'm just being a nitpicker and trying to find fault with the film, but I paid my admission just like everyone else, expecting to enjoy the movie. I don't go to the movies to find fault in everything the film does, I go to be entertained and engulfed in the world on the screen. I want to suspend my disbelief. Hell, I suspended it all through Mega Python vs. Gatoroid and had a great time. I just couldn't do it with Prometheus.
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Post by xtrialbyfirex on Dec 7, 2012 13:52:55 GMT -5
I think those are all fair points and I can't I disagree with those criticisms.
Prometheus does set out to be an intellectual enterprise, and it kind of devolves into B-movie action. I will defend the movie as being "good," but not great b/c I think what does work is the exploration of Fassbender and his obsession with Lawrence of Arabia and how he wants to "become a real boy" so to speak, and also an exploration of Rapace's character and her faith in God and her obsession with wanting to understand her own origins.
I guess my perspective on behavior of characters in a movie has 99% of the time never been an issue. I know people often say "This person would never have done this thing because it's not logical!" and this somehow ruins the whole movie.
However lots of people do highly illogical things all the goddamn time! There are tons of people who smoke crystal meth, become serial killers, and so on. There are even plenty of people who fuck animals and worse then that! If humans were more motivated by logic then our world would be a lot different.
Plus I know from my experience in grad school that highly educated people can be just as stupid as everyone else. Their stupidity often takes different forms but it's always there. And maybe I mean "foolish" and not stupid, but I think you understand what I'm saying.
I know people wanted this movie to live up to the nostalgia of Alien and it doesn't, but IMO there is no topping nostalgia. I just re-watched Alien and it was pretty good, but I think if that movie came out today it would be a direct-to-dvd release. It was groundbreaking for the time, but IMO it doesn't hold up as an all-time classic.
I am just shocked at the level of criticism the movie is getting, and certainly not just from anyone on this forum, but just reading and seeing people are pissing and moaning about the planet not being the correct name as "XUIAJI-O" or whatever the hell they wanted it to be, or the design of the ship, or whatever the fuck insignificant detail irritated them. And again, I haven't seen anything to that level arbitrary nitpicking from anyone here.
It just strikes me as funny b/c if you take a movie like "Prince of Darkness" and want to talk about it from either a religious or scientific viewpoint or both, you could come up with a list of complaints longer than the actual movie. Add that to how horrid the acting is and you could skew the perception of that movie to make it sound like one of the worst movies ever made. But that movie does certain things well, and if you weigh everything out, I think it's fair to say that movie is pretty damn good.
To me the biggest problem with Prometheus is that they didn't have a clearly defined vision of what they wanted before they started filming, and there were too many writers, and just too many cooks in the kitchen. So what we ended up with was a big jigsaw puzzle that didn't quite fit together.
They set out to answer some big questions but instead of exploring any possible explanations they basically said "there are still no answers" which is bullshit b/c you still have to have an opinion even if you don't have an answer.
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Post by bigmac on Dec 8, 2012 15:06:38 GMT -5
I agree with everything you said as well. Smart people can do very stupid things or do the wrong things for the right reasons. And your critique of Prince of Darkness is pretty spot on. And your comparison of Prometheus to a jigsaw puzzle that didn't fit together, perfect.
It is interesting that Prometheus struck such a cord with genre fans. Not just the split between loving or hating the film, but the venom with which each side uses to press their point (outside this forum, of course). It has become one of those films you dread getting into a discussion about, because you never know how intense the other person is going to become, again, outside of this forum.
This discussion has been great fun, xtrailbyfirex. I look forward to future talks about films we feel passionately about, as I'm sure they'll be as thought-provoking and enlightening as this one.
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Post by xtrialbyfirex on Dec 9, 2012 0:24:55 GMT -5
I'd agree, this has been a really fun conversation. I've noticed it is usually the most divisive movies that produce the most interesting conversations....So I'm guessing we'll have a nice 15 page thread about Lords of Salem when that finally comes out ;D
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Post by bigmac on Dec 9, 2012 3:08:39 GMT -5
I'd agree, this has been a really fun conversation. I've noticed it is usually the most divisive movies that produce the most interesting conversations....So I'm guessing we'll have a nice 15 page thread about Lords of Salem when that finally comes out ;D Can't wait.
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